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=Mac Specifics=
 
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==Several Platforms==
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== Several Platforms ==
 
Mac OS X currently supports at least four different processor types (that is a 32 and 64bit version of both, ppc and intel processors). Apple provides tools for compiling for all architectures and putting it all in a so called fat binary or Universal Binary.
 
Mac OS X currently supports at least four different processor types (that is a 32 and 64bit version of both, ppc and intel processors). Apple provides tools for compiling for all architectures and putting it all in a so called fat binary or Universal Binary.
 
I think we should have single, simple EiffelStudio distribution that runs on all of these and has the possibility to create fat binaries from the eiffel programs it builds.
 
I think we should have single, simple EiffelStudio distribution that runs on all of these and has the possibility to create fat binaries from the eiffel programs it builds.
  
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Unlike other GUIs in Aqua there's just a single menu bar at the top of the screen and that is shared between all windows of all applications. ...
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Unlike known from other GUIs in Aqua there's just a single menu bar at the top of the screen and that is shared between all windows of all applications. Our current plan is to use this standard menu bar on the top (an absolute must imo) but change it with whichever window is in the foreground if necessary. (Typically a Mac OS application only has a single menubar - not one per window)
  
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=Cocoa, Carbon ???=
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== Colors ==
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* Maybe we should not target Cocoa, but carbon, just like SWT: [http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.swt/Eclipse%20SWT/carbon|carbon example in swt] could serve as inspiration for the backend.
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On other platforms many controls have a very simple design and can thus support colorization, i.e. changing the background- and foreground color of a control for a great deal of different controls. On the mac this is not the case since controls are a piece of artwork and actually I don't see a reason for supporting this, expect for a few controls like the label and the textfield of course.
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* Info for [[http://developer.apple.com/cocoa|Cocoa]]
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* Alternatively (and probably much easier) one could also make EiffelVision use the native GTK+ port instead of the X-version. But the state of Gtk+-Cocoa is unclear. ([[User:Dfurrer|Dfurrer]])
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=Cocoa or Carbon?=
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The basic approach would be:
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We have made our decision for Carbon because since it is a C-API (not Objective C) it is easier to interface from Eiffel and even though Apple recommends developing new applications in cocoa there are no plans to drop carbon and it is still actively developed.
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* to write a very simple Vision2 application only showing a window.
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* then we will have to write all implementation classes for the Vision2 widgets that will use the cocoa or carbon widgets internally
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* these will be empty at the beginning and then slowly filled
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* then one would start from the Vision2 event loop and try to fill the first implementation class, the one for the window probably
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* and from there one would go to the other widgets
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This is a very interesting project as it unifies many different widget toolkits, you learn lots about the widget toolkit on OS X. But it is also tricky because the widget toolkit on top of which you are also has bugs that you have to work around. For example in carbon the Bevel button in OS X does not display correctly when it's height is set to be smaller than 20 pixels. So if you provide an interface to that button, you would have to work around that.
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Which GOBO version is required exactly? There is quite a big difference between GOBO 3.4 and GOBO CVS. (schoelle, 31.10.2006)
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I would say the Gobo 3.4 included in EiffelStudio 5.7, but the Gobo CVS should also work as far as I know.--[[User:Manus|manus]] 20:14, 31 October 2006 (CET)

Latest revision as of 11:14, 31 October 2006

Mac Specifics

Several Platforms

Mac OS X currently supports at least four different processor types (that is a 32 and 64bit version of both, ppc and intel processors). Apple provides tools for compiling for all architectures and putting it all in a so called fat binary or Universal Binary. I think we should have single, simple EiffelStudio distribution that runs on all of these and has the possibility to create fat binaries from the eiffel programs it builds.

Single Menu Bar

Unlike known from other GUIs in Aqua there's just a single menu bar at the top of the screen and that is shared between all windows of all applications. Our current plan is to use this standard menu bar on the top (an absolute must imo) but change it with whichever window is in the foreground if necessary. (Typically a Mac OS application only has a single menubar - not one per window)

Colors

On other platforms many controls have a very simple design and can thus support colorization, i.e. changing the background- and foreground color of a control for a great deal of different controls. On the mac this is not the case since controls are a piece of artwork and actually I don't see a reason for supporting this, expect for a few controls like the label and the textfield of course.

Cocoa or Carbon?

We have made our decision for Carbon because since it is a C-API (not Objective C) it is easier to interface from Eiffel and even though Apple recommends developing new applications in cocoa there are no plans to drop carbon and it is still actively developed.

GOBO

Which GOBO version is required exactly? There is quite a big difference between GOBO 3.4 and GOBO CVS. (schoelle, 31.10.2006) I would say the Gobo 3.4 included in EiffelStudio 5.7, but the Gobo CVS should also work as far as I know.--manus 20:14, 31 October 2006 (CET)

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