https://dev.eiffel.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AForget_%2F_Keep_Mechanism 2026-04-13T13:25:15Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.24.1 https://dev.eiffel.com/index.php?title=Talk:Forget_/_Keep_Mechanism&diff=7496&oldid=prev 2007-02-21T19:28:49Z

<p></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr style='vertical-align: top;'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">Revision as of 19:28, 21 February 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Ouch, this seems to produce many problems. Specially the introduction of all these parameters for types. Also, I am not sure that this approach is sound and modular. It also looks difficult to teach. --[[User:Schoelle|Schoelle]] 15:45, 21 February 2007 (CET)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Ouch, this seems to produce many problems. Specially the introduction of all these parameters for types. Also, I am not sure that this approach is sound and modular. It also looks difficult to teach. --[[User:Schoelle|Schoelle]] 15:45, 21 February 2007 (CET)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:The currently proposed way of the ECMA standard also introduces a parameter for types (the question mark for detached types) as well as introducing new problems without solving the issue for generics (see here [[New_CAT_call]]). It would probably be easier to implement, understand and teach one conecpt to solve covariant feature redefintion, restriction of export status and safe generics than to introduce different ways for handling each case. --[[User:Juliant|Juliant]] 20:28, 21 February 2007 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Try ECMA instead - it eliminates catcalls. --[[User:Colin-adams|Colin-adams]] 14:48, 21 February 2007 (CET)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Try ECMA instead - it eliminates catcalls. --[[User:Colin-adams|Colin-adams]] 14:48, 21 February 2007 (CET)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:The ECMA meeting last week discussed the problems of the ECMA standard (see here [[New_CAT_call]]) and decided to have a look at another way of preventing cat-calls. --[[User:Juliant|Juliant]] 20:28, 21 February 2007 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Juliant https://dev.eiffel.com/index.php?title=Talk:Forget_/_Keep_Mechanism&diff=7492&oldid=prev 2007-02-21T15:54:48Z

<p></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr style='vertical-align: top;'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:54, 21 February 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Ouch, this seems to produce many problems. Specially the introduction of all these parameters for types. Also, I am not sure that this approach is sound and modular. It also looks difficult to teach. --[[User:Schoelle|Schoelle]] 15:45, 21 February 2007 (CET)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Ouch, this seems to produce many problems. Specially the introduction of all these parameters for types. Also, I am not sure that this approach is sound and modular. It also looks difficult to teach. --[[User:Schoelle|Schoelle]] 15:45, 21 February 2007 (CET)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Try ECMA instead - it eliminates catcalls.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Try ECMA instead - it eliminates catcalls. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">--[[User:Colin-adams|Colin-adams]] 14:48, 21 February 2007 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Seilerm https://dev.eiffel.com/index.php?title=Talk:Forget_/_Keep_Mechanism&diff=7491&oldid=prev 2007-02-21T14:48:43Z

<p></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr style='vertical-align: top;'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:48, 21 February 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Ouch, this seems to produce many problems. Specially the introduction of all these parameters for types. Also, I am not sure that this approach is sound and modular. It also looks difficult to teach. --[[User:Schoelle|Schoelle]] 15:45, 21 February 2007 (CET)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Ouch, this seems to produce many problems. Specially the introduction of all these parameters for types. Also, I am not sure that this approach is sound and modular. It also looks difficult to teach. --[[User:Schoelle|Schoelle]] 15:45, 21 February 2007 (CET)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Try ECMA instead - it eliminates catcalls.</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Colin-adams https://dev.eiffel.com/index.php?title=Talk:Forget_/_Keep_Mechanism&diff=7489&oldid=prev 2007-02-21T14:45:24Z

<p></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr style='vertical-align: top;'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:45, 21 February 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Ouch --[[User:Schoelle|Schoelle]] <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">13</del>:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">48</del>, 21 February 2007 (CET)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Ouch<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, this seems to produce many problems. Specially the introduction of all these parameters for types. Also, I am not sure that this approach is sound and modular. It also looks difficult to teach. </ins>--[[User:Schoelle|Schoelle]] <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">15</ins>:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">45</ins>, 21 February 2007 (CET)</div></td></tr> </table>

Schoelle https://dev.eiffel.com/index.php?title=Talk:Forget_/_Keep_Mechanism&diff=7481&oldid=prev 2007-02-21T12:48:57Z

<p></p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>Ouch --[[User:Schoelle|Schoelle]] 13:48, 21 February 2007 (CET)</div>

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